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	\|~~{{a\|bk1044a15\|↵}} <span id=c4></span>De materiali autem substantia oportet non latere quia et si ex eodem omnia primo aut eisdem ut primis et eadem materia ut principium hiis quae fiunt~~, ~~est tamen aliqua propria cuiuslibet~~, ~~ut flegmatis est prima materia dulcia aut crassa~~, ~~{{a\|bk1044a20\|↵}} colere vero * amara aut alia quaedam; forsan autem haec ex eodem~~.		\|περὶ δὲ τῆς ὑλικῆς οὐσίας δεῖ μὴ λανθάνειν ὅτι εἰ καὶ ἐκ τοῦ αὐτοῦ πάντα πρώτου ἢ τῶν αὐτῶν ὡς πρώτων καὶ ἡ αὐτὴ ὕλη ὡς ἀρχὴ τοῖς γιγνομένοις, ὅμως ἔστι τις οἰκεία ἑκάστου, οἷον φλέγματος [ἐστι πρώτη ὕλη] τὰ γλυκέα ἢ λιπαρά, χολῆς δὲ τὰ πικρὰ ἢ ἄλλ᾽ ἄττα: ἴσως δὲ [20] ταῦτα ἐκ τοῦ αὐτοῦ.

	\|'''Chapter 4'''. <span id=jp722></span>Regarding material substance we must not forget that even if all things come from the same first cause or have the same things for their first causes, and if the same matter serves as starting-point for their generation, yet there is a matter proper to each, e.g. for phlegm the sweet or the fat, and for bile the bitter, or something else; though perhaps these come from the same original matter.		\|{{a\|bk1044a15\|↵}} <span id=c4></span>De materiali autem substantia oportet non latere quia et si ex eodem omnia primo aut eisdem ut primis et eadem materia ut principium hiis quae fiunt, est tamen aliqua propria cuiuslibet, ut flegmatis est prima materia dulcia aut crassa, {{a\|bk1044a20\|↵}} colere vero * amara aut alia quaedam; forsan autem haec ex eodem.

			\|'''Chapter 4'''. <span id=jp722></span>Regarding material substance we must not forget that even if all things come from the same first cause or have the same things for their first causes, and if the same matter serves as starting-point for their generation, yet there is a matter proper to each, e.g. for phlegm the sweet or the fat, and for bile the bitter, or something else; though perhaps these come from the same original matter.

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	\|Fiunt autem plures materiae eiusdem, quando alterius altera fuerit, ut flegma ex crasso et dulci, si crassum ex dulci; ex colera vero * per resolvi coleram in primam materiam. Dupliciter enim hoc ex hoc, aut quia previum erit {{a\|bk1044a25\|↵}} aut quia ex resoluto in principium.		\|γίγνονται δὲ πλείους ὗλαι τοῦ αὐτοῦ ὅταν θατέρου ἡ ἑτέρα ᾖ, οἷον φλέγμα ἐκ λιπαροῦ καὶ γλυκέος εἰ τὸ λιπαρὸν ἐκ τοῦ γλυκέος, ἐκ δὲ χολῆς τῷ ἀναλύεσθαι εἰς τὴν πρώτην ὕλην τὴν χολήν. διχῶς γὰρ τόδ᾽ ἐκ τοῦδε, ἢ ὅτι πρὸ ὁδοῦ ἔσται ἢ ὅτι ἀναλυθέντος εἰς τὴν [25] ἀρχήν.

			\|Fiunt autem plures materiae eiusdem, quando alterius altera fuerit, ut flegma ex crasso et dulci, si crassum ex dulci; ex colera vero * per resolvi coleram in primam materiam. Dupliciter enim hoc ex hoc, aut quia previum erit {{a\|bk1044a25\|↵}} aut quia ex resoluto in principium.

	\|<span id=jp723></span>And there come to be several matters for the same thing, when the one matter is matter for the other; e.g. phlegm comes from the fat and from the sweet, if the fat comes from the sweet; and it comes from bile by analysis of the bile into its ultimate matter. For one thing comes from another in two senses, either because it will be found at a later stage, or because it is produced if the other is analysed into its original constituents.		\|<span id=jp723></span>And there come to be several matters for the same thing, when the one matter is matter for the other; e.g. phlegm comes from the fat and from the sweet, if the fat comes from the sweet; and it comes from bile by analysis of the bile into its ultimate matter. For one thing comes from another in two senses, either because it will be found at a later stage, or because it is produced if the other is analysed into its original constituents.

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			\|ἐνδέχεται δὲ μιᾶς τῆς ὕλης οὔσης ἕτερα γίγνεσθαι διὰ τὴν κινοῦσαν αἰτίαν, οἷον ἐκ ξύλου καὶ κιβωτὸς καὶ κλίνη. ἐνίων δ᾽ ἑτέρα ἡ ὕλη ἐξ ἀνάγκης ἑτέρων ὄντων, οἷον πρίων οὐκ ἂν γένοιτο ἐκ ξύλου, οὐδ᾽ ἐπὶ τῇ κινούσῃ αἰτίᾳ τοῦτο: οὐ γὰρ ποιήσει πρίονα ἐξ ἐρίου ἢ ξύλου. εἰ δ᾽ ἄρα [30] τὸ αὐτὸ ἐνδέχεται ἐξ ἄλλης ὕλης ποιῆσαι, δῆλον ὅτι ἡ τέχνη καὶ ἡ ἀρχὴ ἡ ὡς κινοῦσα ἡ αὐτή: εἰ γὰρ καὶ ἡ ὕλη ἑτέρα καὶ τὸ κινοῦν, καὶ τὸ γεγονός.

	\|Contingit autem una materia existente fieri diversa propter moventem causam, ut puta ex ligno et archa et lectus. Quorundam vero altera materia ex necessitate alteris existentibus, ut serra non utique fiet ex ligno, nec in movente causa * hoc; non enim faciet serram {{a\|bk1044a30\|↵}} ex lana aut ligno. Si ergo idem contingit ex alia materia {{p\|175}} facere, palam quia ars et principium quod est ut movens idem; nam si et materia altera et movens, et quod factum est.		\|Contingit autem una materia existente fieri diversa propter moventem causam, ut puta ex ligno et archa et lectus. Quorundam vero altera materia ex necessitate alteris existentibus, ut serra non utique fiet ex ligno, nec in movente causa * hoc; non enim faciet serram {{a\|bk1044a30\|↵}} ex lana aut ligno. Si ergo idem contingit ex alia materia {{p\|175}} facere, palam quia ars et principium quod est ut movens idem; nam si et materia altera et movens, et quod factum est.

	\|<span id=jp724></span>When the matter is one, different things may be produced owing to difference in the moving cause; e.g. from wood may be made both a chest and a bed. But some different things must have their matter different; e.g. a saw could not be made of wood, nor is this in the power of the moving cause; for it could not make a saw of wool or of wood. But if, as a matter of fact, the same thing can be made of different material, clearly the art, i.e. the moving principle, is the same; for if both the matter and the moving cause were different, the product would be so too.		\|<span id=jp724></span>When the matter is one, different things may be produced owing to difference in the moving cause; e.g. from wood may be made both a chest and a bed. But some different things must have their matter different; e.g. a saw could not be made of wood, nor is this in the power of the moving cause; for it could not make a saw of wool or of wood. But if, as a matter of fact, the same thing can be made of different material, clearly the art, i.e. the moving principle, is the same; for if both the matter and the moving cause were different, the product would be so too.

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	\|Quando itaque aliquis quesierit quid * causa, quoniam pluribus modis dicuntur cause, omnes oportet dicere causas contingentes. Ut hominis quae causa ut materia? Equidem men{{a\|bk1044a35\|↵}}strua. Quid autem ut movens? Equidem sperma. Quid ut species? Quod quid erat esse. Quid ut cuius causa? Finis. Forsan {{a\|bk1044b1\|↵}} autem haec ambo idem.		\|ὅταν δή τις ζητῇ τὸ αἴτιον, ἐπεὶ πλεοναχῶς τὰ αἴτια λέγεται, πάσας δεῖ λέγειν τὰς ἐνδεχομένας αἰτίας. οἷον ἀνθρώπου τίς αἰτία ὡς [35] ὕλη; ἆρα τὰ καταμήνια; τί δ᾽ ὡς κινοῦν; ἆρα τὸ σπέρμα; τί δ᾽ ὡς τὸ εἶδος; τὸ τί ἦν εἶναι. τί δ᾽ ὡς οὗ ἕνεκα; τὸ τέλος.

			\|Quando itaque aliquis quesierit quid * causa, quoniam pluribus modis dicuntur cause, omnes oportet dicere causas contingentes. Ut hominis quae causa ut materia? Equidem men{{a\|bk1044a35\|↵}}strua. Quid autem ut movens? Equidem sperma. Quid ut species? Quod quid erat esse. Quid ut cuius causa? Finis. Forsan {{a\|bk1044b1\|↵}} autem haec ambo idem.

	\|<span id=jp725></span>When one inquires into the cause of something, one should, since ''causes'' are spoken of in several senses, state all the possible causes. what is the material cause of man? Shall we say ''the menstrual fluid'' ? What is moving cause? Shall we say ''the seed'' ? The formal cause? His essence. The final cause? His end. But perhaps the ['''44b'''] latter two are the same.		\|<span id=jp725></span>When one inquires into the cause of something, one should, since ''causes'' are spoken of in several senses, state all the possible causes. what is the material cause of man? Shall we say ''the menstrual fluid'' ? What is moving cause? Shall we say ''the seed'' ? The formal cause? His essence. The final cause? His end. But perhaps the ['''44b'''] latter two are the same.

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			\|[1044β] [1] ἴσως δὲ ταῦτα ἄμφω τὸ αὐτό. δεῖ δὲ τὰ ἐγγύτατα αἴτια λέγειν. τίς ἡ ὕλη; μὴ πῦρ ἢ γῆν ἀλλὰ τὴν ἴδιον.

	\|Oportet autem proximas causas dicere. Quae materia? Non ignem aut terram sed propriam.		\|Oportet autem proximas causas dicere. Quae materia? Non ignem aut terram sed propriam.

	\|<span id=jp726></span>-It is the proximate causes we must state. What is the material cause? We must name not fire or earth, but the matter peculiar to the thing.		\|<span id=jp726></span>-It is the proximate causes we must state. What is the material cause? We must name not fire or earth, but the matter peculiar to the thing.

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	\|Circa naturales quidem igitur substantias et generabiles necesse sic versari si quis recte versatur, si profecto hae * {{a\|bk1044b5\|↵}} cause et tot et oportet causas cognoscere.		\|περὶ μὲν οὖν τὰς φυσικὰς οὐσίας καὶ γενητὰς ἀνάγκη οὕτω μετιέναι εἴ τις μέτεισιν ὀρθῶς, εἴπερ ἄρα [5] αἴτιά τε ταῦτα καὶ τοσαῦτα καὶ δεῖ τὰ αἴτια γνωρίζειν:

			\|Circa naturales quidem igitur substantias et generabiles necesse sic versari si quis recte versatur, si profecto hae * {{a\|bk1044b5\|↵}} cause et tot et oportet causas cognoscere.

	\|<span id=jp727></span>Regarding the substances that are natural and generable, if the causes are really these and of this number and we have to learn the causes, we must inquire thus, if we are to inquire rightly.		\|<span id=jp727></span>Regarding the substances that are natural and generable, if the causes are really these and of this number and we have to learn the causes, we must inquire thus, if we are to inquire rightly.

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	\|In naturalibus quu dem sempiternis autem substantiis alia ratio. Forsan enim quaedam non habent materiam, aut non talem sed solum secundum locum mobilem.		\|ἐπὶ δὲ τῶν φυσικῶν μὲν ἀϊδίων δὲ οὐσιῶν ἄλλος λόγος. ἴσως γὰρ ἔνια οὐκ ἔχει ὕλην, ἢ οὐ τοιαύτην ἀλλὰ μόνον κατὰ τόπον κινητήν.

			\|In naturalibus quu dem sempiternis autem substantiis alia ratio. Forsan enim quaedam non habent materiam, aut non talem sed solum secundum locum mobilem.

	\|<span id=jp728></span>But in the case of natural but eternal substances another account must be given. For perhaps some have no matter, or not matter of this sort but only such as can be moved in respect of place.		\|<span id=jp728></span>But in the case of natural but eternal substances another account must be given. For perhaps some have no matter, or not matter of this sort but only such as can be moved in respect of place.

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			\|οὐδ᾽ ὅσα δὴ φύσει μέν, μὴ οὐσίαι δέ, οὐκ ἔστι τούτοις ὕλη, ἀλλὰ τὸ ὑποκείμενον ἡ οὐσία. οἷον τί [10] αἴτιον ἐκλείψεως, τίς ὕλη; οὐ γὰρ ἔστιν, ἀλλ᾽ ἡ σελήνη τὸ πάσχον. τί δ᾽ αἴτιον ὡς κινῆσαν καὶ φθεῖραν τὸ φῶς; ἡ γῆ. τὸ δ᾽ οὗ ἕνεκα ἴσως οὐκ ἔστιν. τὸ δ᾽ ὡς εἶδος ὁ λόγος, ἀλλὰ ἄδηλος ἐὰν μὴ μετὰ τῆς αἰτίας ᾖ ὁ λόγος. οἷον τί ἔκλειψις; στέρησις φωτός. ἐὰν δὲ προστεθῇ τὸ ὑπὸ γῆς ἐν [15] μέσῳ γιγνομένης, ὁ σὺν τῷ αἰτίῳ λόγος οὗτος. ὕπνου δ᾽ ἄδηλον τί τὸ πρῶτον πάσχον. ἀλλ᾽ ὅτι τὸ ζῷον; ναί, ἀλλὰ τοῦτο κατὰ τί, καὶ τί πρῶτον; καρδία ἢ ἄλλο τι. εἶτα ὑπὸ τίνος; εἶτα τί τὸ πάθος, τὸ ἐκείνου καὶ μὴ τοῦ ὅλου; ὅτι ἀκινησία τοιαδί; ναί, ἀλλ᾽ αὕτη τῷ τί πάσχειν [20] τὸ πρῶτον;

	\|Nec quaecumque itaque natura quidem, non substantia vero, non est hiis materia, sed quod subicitur substantia. Puta quae causa eclipsis? * quae materia? Non enim {{a\|bk1044b10\|↵}} est, sed luna quod patitur. Quae causa ut movens et corrumpens lumen? Terra. Quod autem cuius gratia forsan non est. Quod vero ut species ratio, sed non manifesta, si non cum causa fuerit ratio. Ut quid eclipsis? Privatio luminis. Si vero addatur 4a terra in medio obiecta\ quae cum causa ratio haec. {{a\|bk1044b15\|↵}} sompni vero non manifestum quid primum patiens. Sed quod animal? Etiam. Verum hoc secundum quid, et quid primum? Cor aut aliud aliquid. Deinde a quo? Deinde quid passio quae illius et non totius? Quia immobilitas talis? Vtique, sed haec per aliquid pati quod primum. {{a\|bk1044b20\|↵}}		\|Nec quaecumque itaque natura quidem, non substantia vero, non est hiis materia, sed quod subicitur substantia. Puta quae causa eclipsis? * quae materia? Non enim {{a\|bk1044b10\|↵}} est, sed luna quod patitur. Quae causa ut movens et corrumpens lumen? Terra. Quod autem cuius gratia forsan non est. Quod vero ut species ratio, sed non manifesta, si non cum causa fuerit ratio. Ut quid eclipsis? Privatio luminis. Si vero addatur 4a terra in medio obiecta\ quae cum causa ratio haec. {{a\|bk1044b15\|↵}} sompni vero non manifestum quid primum patiens. Sed quod animal? Etiam. Verum hoc secundum quid, et quid primum? Cor aut aliud aliquid. Deinde a quo? Deinde quid passio quae illius et non totius? Quia immobilitas talis? Vtique, sed haec per aliquid pati quod primum. {{a\|bk1044b20\|↵}}

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	\|{{bk\|~~1044a15~~}} <span id=c4></span>De materiali autem substantia oportet non latere quia et si ex eodem omnia primo aut eisdem ut primis et eadem materia ut principium hiis quae fiunt, est tamen aliqua propria cuiuslibet, ut flegmatis est prima materia dulcia aut crassa, {{bk\|~~1044a20~~}} colere vero * amara aut alia quaedam; forsan autem haec ex eodem.		\|{{a\|bk1044a15\|↵}} <span id=c4></span>De materiali autem substantia oportet non latere quia et si ex eodem omnia primo aut eisdem ut primis et eadem materia ut principium hiis quae fiunt, est tamen aliqua propria cuiuslibet, ut flegmatis est prima materia dulcia aut crassa, {{a\|bk1044a20\|↵}} colere vero * amara aut alia quaedam; forsan autem haec ex eodem.

	\|'''Chapter 4'''. <span id=jp722></span>Regarding material substance we must not forget that even if all things come from the same first cause or have the same things for their first causes, and if the same matter serves as starting-point for their generation, yet there is a matter proper to each, e.g. for phlegm the sweet or the fat, and for bile the bitter, or something else; though perhaps these come from the same original matter.		\|'''Chapter 4'''. <span id=jp722></span>Regarding material substance we must not forget that even if all things come from the same first cause or have the same things for their first causes, and if the same matter serves as starting-point for their generation, yet there is a matter proper to each, e.g. for phlegm the sweet or the fat, and for bile the bitter, or something else; though perhaps these come from the same original matter.

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	\|Fiunt autem plures materiae eiusdem, quando alterius altera fuerit, ut flegma ex crasso et dulci, si crassum ex dulci; ex colera vero * per resolvi coleram in primam materiam. Dupliciter enim hoc ex hoc, aut quia previum erit {{bk\|~~1044a25~~}} aut quia ex resoluto in principium.		\|Fiunt autem plures materiae eiusdem, quando alterius altera fuerit, ut flegma ex crasso et dulci, si crassum ex dulci; ex colera vero * per resolvi coleram in primam materiam. Dupliciter enim hoc ex hoc, aut quia previum erit {{a\|bk1044a25\|↵}} aut quia ex resoluto in principium.

	\|<span id=jp723></span>And there come to be several matters for the same thing, when the one matter is matter for the other; e.g. phlegm comes from the fat and from the sweet, if the fat comes from the sweet; and it comes from bile by analysis of the bile into its ultimate matter. For one thing comes from another in two senses, either because it will be found at a later stage, or because it is produced if the other is analysed into its original constituents.		\|<span id=jp723></span>And there come to be several matters for the same thing, when the one matter is matter for the other; e.g. phlegm comes from the fat and from the sweet, if the fat comes from the sweet; and it comes from bile by analysis of the bile into its ultimate matter. For one thing comes from another in two senses, either because it will be found at a later stage, or because it is produced if the other is analysed into its original constituents.

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	\|Contingit autem una materia existente fieri diversa propter moventem causam, ut puta ex ligno et archa et lectus. Quorundam vero altera materia ex necessitate alteris existentibus, ut serra non utique fiet ex ligno, nec in movente causa * hoc; non enim faciet serram {{bk\|~~1044a30~~}} ex lana aut ligno. Si ergo idem contingit ex alia materia {{p\|175}} facere, palam quia ars et principium quod est ut movens idem; nam si et materia altera et movens, et quod factum est.		\|Contingit autem una materia existente fieri diversa propter moventem causam, ut puta ex ligno et archa et lectus. Quorundam vero altera materia ex necessitate alteris existentibus, ut serra non utique fiet ex ligno, nec in movente causa * hoc; non enim faciet serram {{a\|bk1044a30\|↵}} ex lana aut ligno. Si ergo idem contingit ex alia materia {{p\|175}} facere, palam quia ars et principium quod est ut movens idem; nam si et materia altera et movens, et quod factum est.

	\|<span id=jp724></span>When the matter is one, different things may be produced owing to difference in the moving cause; e.g. from wood may be made both a chest and a bed. But some different things must have their matter different; e.g. a saw could not be made of wood, nor is this in the power of the moving cause; for it could not make a saw of wool or of wood. But if, as a matter of fact, the same thing can be made of different material, clearly the art, i.e. the moving principle, is the same; for if both the matter and the moving cause were different, the product would be so too.		\|<span id=jp724></span>When the matter is one, different things may be produced owing to difference in the moving cause; e.g. from wood may be made both a chest and a bed. But some different things must have their matter different; e.g. a saw could not be made of wood, nor is this in the power of the moving cause; for it could not make a saw of wool or of wood. But if, as a matter of fact, the same thing can be made of different material, clearly the art, i.e. the moving principle, is the same; for if both the matter and the moving cause were different, the product would be so too.

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	\|Quando itaque aliquis quesierit quid * causa, quoniam pluribus modis dicuntur cause, omnes oportet dicere causas contingentes. Ut hominis quae causa ut materia? Equidem men{{bk\|~~1044a35~~}}strua. Quid autem ut movens? Equidem sperma. Quid ut species? Quod quid erat esse. Quid ut cuius causa? Finis. Forsan {{bk\|~~1044b1~~}} autem haec ambo idem.		\|Quando itaque aliquis quesierit quid * causa, quoniam pluribus modis dicuntur cause, omnes oportet dicere causas contingentes. Ut hominis quae causa ut materia? Equidem men{{a\|bk1044a35\|↵}}strua. Quid autem ut movens? Equidem sperma. Quid ut species? Quod quid erat esse. Quid ut cuius causa? Finis. Forsan {{a\|bk1044b1\|↵}} autem haec ambo idem.

	\|<span id=jp725></span>When one inquires into the cause of something, one should, since ''causes'' are spoken of in several senses, state all the possible causes. what is the material cause of man? Shall we say ''the menstrual fluid'' ? What is moving cause? Shall we say ''the seed'' ? The formal cause? His essence. The final cause? His end. But perhaps the ['''44b'''] latter two are the same.		\|<span id=jp725></span>When one inquires into the cause of something, one should, since ''causes'' are spoken of in several senses, state all the possible causes. what is the material cause of man? Shall we say ''the menstrual fluid'' ? What is moving cause? Shall we say ''the seed'' ? The formal cause? His essence. The final cause? His end. But perhaps the ['''44b'''] latter two are the same.
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	\|Circa naturales quidem igitur substantias et generabiles necesse sic versari si quis recte versatur, si profecto hae * {{bk\|~~1044b5~~}} cause et tot et oportet causas cognoscere.		\|Circa naturales quidem igitur substantias et generabiles necesse sic versari si quis recte versatur, si profecto hae * {{a\|bk1044b5\|↵}} cause et tot et oportet causas cognoscere.

	\|<span id=jp727></span>Regarding the substances that are natural and generable, if the causes are really these and of this number and we have to learn the causes, we must inquire thus, if we are to inquire rightly.		\|<span id=jp727></span>Regarding the substances that are natural and generable, if the causes are really these and of this number and we have to learn the causes, we must inquire thus, if we are to inquire rightly.
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	\|Nec quaecumque itaque natura quidem, non substantia vero, non est hiis materia, sed quod subicitur substantia. Puta quae causa eclipsis? * quae materia? Non enim {{bk\|~~1044b10~~}} est, sed luna quod patitur. Quae causa ut movens et corrumpens lumen? Terra. Quod autem cuius gratia forsan non est. Quod vero ut species ratio, sed non manifesta, si non cum causa fuerit ratio. Ut quid eclipsis? Privatio luminis. Si vero addatur 4a terra in medio obiecta\ quae cum causa ratio haec. {{bk\|~~1044b15~~}} sompni vero non manifestum quid primum patiens. Sed quod animal? Etiam. Verum hoc secundum quid, et quid primum? Cor aut aliud aliquid. Deinde a quo? Deinde quid passio quae illius et non totius? Quia immobilitas talis? Vtique, sed haec per aliquid pati quod primum. {{bk\|~~1044b20~~}}		\|Nec quaecumque itaque natura quidem, non substantia vero, non est hiis materia, sed quod subicitur substantia. Puta quae causa eclipsis? * quae materia? Non enim {{a\|bk1044b10\|↵}} est, sed luna quod patitur. Quae causa ut movens et corrumpens lumen? Terra. Quod autem cuius gratia forsan non est. Quod vero ut species ratio, sed non manifesta, si non cum causa fuerit ratio. Ut quid eclipsis? Privatio luminis. Si vero addatur 4a terra in medio obiecta\ quae cum causa ratio haec. {{a\|bk1044b15\|↵}} sompni vero non manifestum quid primum patiens. Sed quod animal? Etiam. Verum hoc secundum quid, et quid primum? Cor aut aliud aliquid. Deinde a quo? Deinde quid passio quae illius et non totius? Quia immobilitas talis? Vtique, sed haec per aliquid pati quod primum. {{a\|bk1044b20\|↵}}

	\|<span id=jp729></span>Nor does matter belong to those things which exist by nature but are not substances; their substratum is the substance. E.g what is the cause of eclipse? What is its matter? There is none; the moon is that which suffers eclipse. What is the moving cause which extinguished the light? The earth. The final cause perhaps does not exist. The formal principle is the definitory formula, but this is obscure if it does not include the cause. E.g. what is eclipse? Deprivation of light. But if we add ''by the earth'' s coming in between _ , this is the formula which includes the cause. In the case of sleep it is not clear what it is that proximately has this affection. Shall we say that it is the animal? Yes, but the animal in virtue of what, i.e. what is the proximate subject? The heart or some other part. Next, by what is it produced? Next, what is the affection-that of the proximate subject, not of the whole animal? Shall we say that it is immobility of such and such a kind? Yes, but to what process in the proximate subject is this due?		\|<span id=jp729></span>Nor does matter belong to those things which exist by nature but are not substances; their substratum is the substance. E.g what is the cause of eclipse? What is its matter? There is none; the moon is that which suffers eclipse. What is the moving cause which extinguished the light? The earth. The final cause perhaps does not exist. The formal principle is the definitory formula, but this is obscure if it does not include the cause. E.g. what is eclipse? Deprivation of light. But if we add ''by the earth'' s coming in between _ , this is the formula which includes the cause. In the case of sleep it is not clear what it is that proximately has this affection. Shall we say that it is the animal? Yes, but the animal in virtue of what, i.e. what is the proximate subject? The heart or some other part. Next, by what is it produced? Next, what is the affection-that of the proximate subject, not of the whole animal? Shall we say that it is immobility of such and such a kind? Yes, but to what process in the proximate subject is this due?

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	\|Quando itaque aliquis quesierit quid * causa, quoniam pluribus modis dicuntur cause, omnes oportet dicere causas contingentes. Ut hominis quae causa ut materia? Equidem men{{bk\|1044a35}}strua. Quid autem ut movens? Equidem sperma. Quid ut species? Quod quid erat esse. Quid ut cuius causa? Finis. Forsan {{bk\|1044b1}} autem haec ambo idem.		\|Quando itaque aliquis quesierit quid * causa, quoniam pluribus modis dicuntur cause, omnes oportet dicere causas contingentes. Ut hominis quae causa ut materia? Equidem men{{bk\|1044a35}}strua. Quid autem ut movens? Equidem sperma. Quid ut species? Quod quid erat esse. Quid ut cuius causa? Finis. Forsan {{bk\|1044b1}} autem haec ambo idem.

	\|<span id=jp725></span>When one inquires into the cause of something, one should, since ''causes'' are spoken of in several senses, state all the possible causes. what is the material cause of man? Shall we say ''the menstrual fluid'' ? What is moving cause? Shall we say ''the seed'' ? The formal cause? His essence. The final cause? His end. But perhaps the [~~<a name=bk1044b></a>~~'''44b'''] latter two are the same.		\|<span id=jp725></span>When one inquires into the cause of something, one should, since ''causes'' are spoken of in several senses, state all the possible causes. what is the material cause of man? Shall we say ''the menstrual fluid'' ? What is moving cause? Shall we say ''the seed'' ? The formal cause? His essence. The final cause? His end. But perhaps the ['''44b'''] latter two are the same.

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==Chapter 4==
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|{{bk|1044a15}} De materiali autem substantia oportet non latere quia et si ex eodem omnia primo aut eisdem ut primis et eadem materia ut principium hiis quae fiunt, est tamen aliqua propria cuiuslibet, ut flegmatis est prima materia dulcia aut crassa, {{bk|1044a20}} colere vero * amara aut alia quaedam; forsan autem haec ex eodem.

|'''Chapter 4'''. Regarding material substance we must not forget that even if all things come from the same first cause or have the same things for their first causes, and if the same matter serves as starting-point for their generation, yet there is a matter proper to each, e.g. for phlegm the sweet or the fat, and for bile the bitter, or something else; though perhaps these come from the same original matter.

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|Fiunt autem plures materiae eiusdem, quando alterius altera fuerit, ut flegma ex crasso et dulci, si crassum ex dulci; ex colera vero * per resolvi coleram in primam materiam. Dupliciter enim hoc ex hoc, aut quia previum erit {{bk|1044a25}} aut quia ex resoluto in principium.

|And there come to be several matters for the same thing, when the one matter is matter for the other; e.g. phlegm comes from the fat and from the sweet, if the fat comes from the sweet; and it comes from bile by analysis of the bile into its ultimate matter. For one thing comes from another in two senses, either because it will be found at a later stage, or because it is produced if the other is analysed into its original constituents.

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|Contingit autem una materia existente fieri diversa propter moventem causam, ut puta ex ligno et archa et lectus. Quorundam vero altera materia ex necessitate alteris existentibus, ut serra non utique fiet ex ligno, nec in movente causa * hoc; non enim faciet serram {{bk|1044a30}} ex lana aut ligno. Si ergo idem contingit ex alia materia {{p|175}} facere, palam quia ars et principium quod est ut movens idem; nam si et materia altera et movens, et quod factum est.

|When the matter is one, different things may be produced owing to difference in the moving cause; e.g. from wood may be made both a chest and a bed. But some different things must have their matter different; e.g. a saw could not be made of wood, nor is this in the power of the moving cause; for it could not make a saw of wool or of wood. But if, as a matter of fact, the same thing can be made of different material, clearly the art, i.e. the moving principle, is the same; for if both the matter and the moving cause were different, the product would be so too.

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|Quando itaque aliquis quesierit quid * causa, quoniam pluribus modis dicuntur cause, omnes oportet dicere causas contingentes. Ut hominis quae causa ut materia? Equidem men{{bk|1044a35}}strua. Quid autem ut movens? Equidem sperma. Quid ut species? Quod quid erat esse. Quid ut cuius causa? Finis. Forsan {{bk|1044b1}} autem haec ambo idem.

|When one inquires into the cause of something, one should, since ''causes'' are spoken of in several senses, state all the possible causes. what is the material cause of man? Shall we say ''the menstrual fluid'' ? What is moving cause? Shall we say ''the seed'' ? The formal cause? His essence. The final cause? His end. But perhaps the [<a name=bk1044b></a>'''44b'''] latter two are the same.

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|Oportet autem proximas causas dicere. Quae materia? Non ignem aut terram sed propriam.

|-It is the proximate causes we must state. What is the material cause? We must name not fire or earth, but the matter peculiar to the thing.

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|Circa naturales quidem igitur substantias et generabiles necesse sic versari si quis recte versatur, si profecto hae * {{bk|1044b5}} cause et tot et oportet causas cognoscere.

|Regarding the substances that are natural and generable, if the causes are really these and of this number and we have to learn the causes, we must inquire thus, if we are to inquire rightly.

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|In naturalibus quu dem sempiternis autem substantiis alia ratio. Forsan enim quaedam non habent materiam, aut non talem sed solum secundum locum mobilem.

|But in the case of natural but eternal substances another account must be given. For perhaps some have no matter, or not matter of this sort but only such as can be moved in respect of place.

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|Nec quaecumque itaque natura quidem, non substantia vero, non est hiis materia, sed quod subicitur substantia. Puta quae causa eclipsis? * quae materia? Non enim {{bk|1044b10}} est, sed luna quod patitur. Quae causa ut movens et corrumpens lumen? Terra. Quod autem cuius gratia forsan non est. Quod vero ut species ratio, sed non manifesta, si non cum causa fuerit ratio. Ut quid eclipsis? Privatio luminis. Si vero addatur 4a terra in medio obiecta\ quae cum causa ratio haec. {{bk|1044b15}} sompni vero non manifestum quid primum patiens. Sed quod animal? Etiam. Verum hoc secundum quid, et quid primum? Cor aut aliud aliquid. Deinde a quo? Deinde quid passio quae illius et non totius? Quia immobilitas talis? Vtique, sed haec per aliquid pati quod primum. {{bk|1044b20}}

|Nor does matter belong to those things which exist by nature but are not substances; their substratum is the substance. E.g what is the cause of eclipse? What is its matter? There is none; the moon is that which suffers eclipse. What is the moving cause which extinguished the light? The earth. The final cause perhaps does not exist. The formal principle is the definitory formula, but this is obscure if it does not include the cause. E.g. what is eclipse? Deprivation of light. But if we add ''by the earth'' s coming in between _ , this is the formula which includes the cause. In the case of sleep it is not clear what it is that proximately has this affection. Shall we say that it is the animal? Yes, but the animal in virtue of what, i.e. what is the proximate subject? The heart or some other part. Next, by what is it produced? Next, what is the affection-that of the proximate subject, not of the whole animal? Shall we say that it is immobility of such and such a kind? Yes, but to what process in the proximate subject is this due?

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